John Derbyshire’s known obsession over buggery and most things gay pales in comparison to that of Clayton Cramer’s, who by the way does not even obsess over buttsex:
What I find gross–and I suspect that I speak for a lot of Americans–isn’t oral sex, or even sodomy. What we find gross are the other behaviors that are part of homosexual culture. Now, before I start listing them, let me emphasize that not every male homosexual does all of these things. But I would suspect that the group of homosexual men who don’t engage in one of these behaviors is pretty darn small (the links are to soc.motss postings in which homosexuals discuss their activities or otherwise acknowledge the importance of the behavior to their culture): coprophilia (sexual pleasure from eating feces or being defecated on); “golden showers” (sexual pleasure from drinking urine or being urinated on); cross-dressing for sexual stimulation of yourself or others; sex so promiscuous that you don’t even see your partner’s face, much less know their name; exhibitionism (such as being naked and having sex in the middle of a public street); sadism; masochism; bondage and discipline; pedophilia; various forms of fetishism involving objects or leather; fisting. Sure, you can find straight people that do most of these things, but it doesn’t take much living in the San Francisco Bay Area to know that perhaps 5% of the straight population does any of these items–but gay men have built a whole culture around these paraphilias.
Emphasis added, links removed. The way he talks about the culture, I can imagine the streets of San Francisco full of men in tented skirts sliding around while they piss themselves on the pavements that have been overly loaded with elbow grease.


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San Francisco is one of my favorite vacation spots and I’ve never seen any of that. Oh search any alt.sex group and you will find plenty of perversion, most of it straight. A lot of my friends are gay and aren’t at all like that. They are either in stable relationships or wish they were.
Comment by mog — Sep 25, 2004 @ 4:47 pm