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		<title>By: Aakash</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2826</link>
		<dc:creator>Aakash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t know of any evidence that President Bush intentionally lied, there has been some that he was lied to... In any case, what has happened, with regard to the WMD issue, is more than a &quot;mistake.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t know of any evidence that President Bush intentionally lied, there has been some that he was lied to&#8230; In any case, what has happened, with regard to the WMD issue, is more than a &#8220;mistake.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Solomonia</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2825</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Michael Barone: The (Very) Big Lie&lt;/strong&gt;
Michael Barone: ...Bush, Cheney and the administration have the truth on their side. Exhaustive and authoritative examinations of the prewar intelligence, by the bipartisan report of the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004, by the Silberman-Robb Comm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Michael Barone: The (Very) Big Lie</strong></p>
<p>Michael Barone: &#8230;Bush, Cheney and the administration have the truth on their side. Exhaustive and authoritative examinations of the prewar intelligence, by the bipartisan report of the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004, by the Silberman-Robb Comm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the Red &#187; Revisiting Wilson</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the Red &#187; Revisiting Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some people have written about the difference between a mistake and a lie, as far as the Wilson/Plame/pre-war intel is concerned. I don&#8217;t like dealing with quotes of quotes, so I&#8217;ll stick to facts. Namely, those contained in the findings of the Silbermann-Robb Commission. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some people have written about the difference between a mistake and a lie, as far as the Wilson/Plame/pre-war intel is concerned. I don&#8217;t like dealing with quotes of quotes, so I&#8217;ll stick to facts. Namely, those contained in the findings of the Silbermann-Robb Commission. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ETR</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>ETR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a lie is fabricating information in order to support a point of view -- that Saddam was actively seeking WMDs.  But when you (or your advisors) have facts that contradict this, and you (or they) ignore them, that&#039;s cherry picking.
Thats what it seems the Administration did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a lie is fabricating information in order to support a point of view &#8212; that Saddam was actively seeking WMDs.  But when you (or your advisors) have facts that contradict this, and you (or they) ignore them, that&#8217;s cherry picking.</p>
<p>Thats what it seems the Administration did.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a scary thought that some of the people that play integral part in writing our laws might not know the difference between lies and mistakes.
Another scary thought is that many who have disdain for our military now see military heroism as a tool to preach their intolerance for fighting men and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a scary thought that some of the people that play integral part in writing our laws might not know the difference between lies and mistakes.</p>
<p>Another scary thought is that many who have disdain for our military now see military heroism as a tool to preach their intolerance for fighting men and women.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2005/11/21/mistakes-and-lies/comment-page-1#comment-2818</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans Calling a Decorated War Hero a Coward Devalue the Heroism of our Soldiers Currently Serving in Iraq
Even in the Orwellian world of American politics the events of recent weeks have been surreal.  But despite all the arguing going on among our political leaders one thing has been constant, that is the overwhelming support for our troops in the field.  Regardless of ones political affiliation or view on the conduct of the operation in Iraq, it is clear that all Americans support the troops, and all grieve equally when they are injured or die.
It is clear to anybody who is paying the least bit of attention that the war in Iraq is not going well. Thus far 2094 American soldiers have died and more than 15,000 have been left permanently disabled.  The war has thus far cost the average American family over $3000 and costs each family an additional $100 per week.  The sole measure of success on the part of the wars supporters is that if we left now the country of Iraq would implode.  Americans have rightly come to question whether this is an appropriate measure of success for a war that has cost us all so dearly.
But as the Bush Administration grows increasingly desperate they have come to adopt a strategy of questioning the patriotism of those with whom they disagree.  It should be noted that 63% of Americans believe that the war is not going well, and that 57% of Americans believe that the Bush Administration misused pre-war intelligence to justify their preconceived plans of going to war.  But Bush and Cheney are undeterred, grimly describing those who donâ€™t agree with their policies as â€œdeeply irresponsible, reprehensible and dishonest.â€
Recently the Bush war marketing campaign has taken a further turn, suggesting that those who question the Administration conduct of the war undermine our soldiers in the field, that those who disagree with Bush donâ€™t support the soldiers.  Only19% of Americans support Cheney, 34% support Bush and only 40% of Americans still believe that Bush is honest. Those numbers seem to be sinking by the day as Americans are increasingly disgusted and appalled by an Administration and a Republican Congress that judges whether citizens support their own soldiers on the basis of who agrees or disagrees with the Administration war policy.
There is no doubt that we ask a great deal of our soldiers in the field, this has been the case throughout the history of our country.  We have seen so many times that ordinary men are asked to perform extraordinary duties; those that go above and beyond are considered heroes and recognized by their country for their valor.  Just over a week ago our country paused to reflect and remember, and to honor those who served our country in war.  Veterans proudly displayed their medals, tokens of appreciation from a grateful country for their acts of bravery.  Today in Iraq we have men and women performing those same duties on our behalf; some will be similarly honored.
But what message does it send to our soldiers in the field in Iraq, soldiers whom we are asking to perform extraordinary acts of bravery on our behalf, when their Commander in Chief questions the bravery and patriotism of a soldier who earned 2 purple hearts?  When the Vice President (himself a recipient of 5 deferments) suggests that a much-decorated veteran who happens to disagree with him â€œlacks backbone?â€  When a Republican member of Congress suggests that that same decorated war veteran is a coward?  Does it devalue the service of our soldiers in the field when they see that the Administration can so easily dismiss a war hero as a coward simply because he disagrees with them?   Why should they be as committed to duty, honor and bravery as John Murtha was when they see that the Administration would piss on Murtha and his medals for their political purposes?  Would the Administration do the same to them?
Just when you thought it couldnâ€™t get any worse, just when you thought you had seen the worst of American politics, weâ€™re treated to the spectacle of cowards like Cheney calling heroes like Murtha a coward.  Orwell lives, but the last shred of decency on the part of the Bush Administration has long since passed.  The Bushtanic is sinking, but as it was when Nixon went down the mood is not celebratory, itâ€™s far more like mourning; mourning for our country, for all of usâ€¦for we brought it upon ourselves when we elected the incompetent bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans Calling a Decorated War Hero a Coward Devalue the Heroism of our Soldiers Currently Serving in Iraq</p>
<p>Even in the Orwellian world of American politics the events of recent weeks have been surreal.  But despite all the arguing going on among our political leaders one thing has been constant, that is the overwhelming support for our troops in the field.  Regardless of ones political affiliation or view on the conduct of the operation in Iraq, it is clear that all Americans support the troops, and all grieve equally when they are injured or die.</p>
<p>It is clear to anybody who is paying the least bit of attention that the war in Iraq is not going well. Thus far 2094 American soldiers have died and more than 15,000 have been left permanently disabled.  The war has thus far cost the average American family over $3000 and costs each family an additional $100 per week.  The sole measure of success on the part of the wars supporters is that if we left now the country of Iraq would implode.  Americans have rightly come to question whether this is an appropriate measure of success for a war that has cost us all so dearly.  </p>
<p>But as the Bush Administration grows increasingly desperate they have come to adopt a strategy of questioning the patriotism of those with whom they disagree.  It should be noted that 63% of Americans believe that the war is not going well, and that 57% of Americans believe that the Bush Administration misused pre-war intelligence to justify their preconceived plans of going to war.  But Bush and Cheney are undeterred, grimly describing those who donâ€™t agree with their policies as â€œdeeply irresponsible, reprehensible and dishonest.â€</p>
<p>Recently the Bush war marketing campaign has taken a further turn, suggesting that those who question the Administration conduct of the war undermine our soldiers in the field, that those who disagree with Bush donâ€™t support the soldiers.  Only19% of Americans support Cheney, 34% support Bush and only 40% of Americans still believe that Bush is honest. Those numbers seem to be sinking by the day as Americans are increasingly disgusted and appalled by an Administration and a Republican Congress that judges whether citizens support their own soldiers on the basis of who agrees or disagrees with the Administration war policy.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that we ask a great deal of our soldiers in the field, this has been the case throughout the history of our country.  We have seen so many times that ordinary men are asked to perform extraordinary duties; those that go above and beyond are considered heroes and recognized by their country for their valor.  Just over a week ago our country paused to reflect and remember, and to honor those who served our country in war.  Veterans proudly displayed their medals, tokens of appreciation from a grateful country for their acts of bravery.  Today in Iraq we have men and women performing those same duties on our behalf; some will be similarly honored.</p>
<p>But what message does it send to our soldiers in the field in Iraq, soldiers whom we are asking to perform extraordinary acts of bravery on our behalf, when their Commander in Chief questions the bravery and patriotism of a soldier who earned 2 purple hearts?  When the Vice President (himself a recipient of 5 deferments) suggests that a much-decorated veteran who happens to disagree with him â€œlacks backbone?â€  When a Republican member of Congress suggests that that same decorated war veteran is a coward?  Does it devalue the service of our soldiers in the field when they see that the Administration can so easily dismiss a war hero as a coward simply because he disagrees with them?   Why should they be as committed to duty, honor and bravery as John Murtha was when they see that the Administration would piss on Murtha and his medals for their political purposes?  Would the Administration do the same to them?</p>
<p>Just when you thought it couldnâ€™t get any worse, just when you thought you had seen the worst of American politics, weâ€™re treated to the spectacle of cowards like Cheney calling heroes like Murtha a coward.  Orwell lives, but the last shred of decency on the part of the Bush Administration has long since passed.  The Bushtanic is sinking, but as it was when Nixon went down the mood is not celebratory, itâ€™s far more like mourning; mourning for our country, for all of usâ€¦for we brought it upon ourselves when we elected the incompetent bastard.</p>
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