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	<title>Comments on: A few questions on Jane Wells&#8217;revised WordCamp policies</title>
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		<title>By: Jane Wells Is Not So Bad</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2010/05/19/a-few-questions-on-jane-wells-revised-wordcamp-policies/comment-page-1#comment-8261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Wells Is Not So Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 22:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WordCamp Raleigh. Upon the announcement of the revised WordCamp Guidelines, Jay was one of the vocal opponents with a number of good questions. Jane responded to those questions in a comment which is all Jay [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I, for one, welcome our new WordCamp Overlords &#171; xentek</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2010/05/19/a-few-questions-on-jane-wells-revised-wordcamp-policies/comment-page-1#comment-8253</link>
		<dc:creator>I, for one, welcome our new WordCamp Overlords &#171; xentek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 18:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wordpress.Jane Wells posted some new guidelines for WordCamp organizers and its raised quite a kerfuffle in the community.Before I get into this, let me offer up a bit of background on my own involvement with conferences [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wordpress.Jane Wells posted some new guidelines for WordCamp organizers and its raised quite a kerfuffle in the community.Before I get into this, let me offer up a bit of background on my own involvement with conferences [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ben:
Please see my comment above in re: your &lt;i&gt;Reductio ad Bushlerium&lt;/i&gt;.
AHAHAHAHAHA! IT&#039;S FUNNY BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW EVERYONE HATES GEORGE BUSH AND DOESN&#039;T LOOK BACK WITH ANY FONDNESS UPON HIS TERMS OF OFFICE!</description>
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Please see my comment above in re: your <i>Reductio ad Bushlerium</i>.</p>
<p>AHAHAHAHAHA! IT&#8217;S FUNNY BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW EVERYONE HATES GEORGE BUSH AND DOESN&#8217;T LOOK BACK WITH ANY FONDNESS UPON HIS TERMS OF OFFICE!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really infuriating, short sighted and a big part of the reason we started OpenCamp (http://openca.mp).
The way the GPL has turned into an ideology with some people/entities should serve as a harsh warning to a lot of people. It is about community? Sure as long as the community behaves the way a few people want.
I&#039;m a fan of the Software and love WordPress the product but I&#039;ve about had it with this kind of crap. (sorry but this really gets under my skin).
Longer term, they are shooting themselves in the foot and asking for a backlash if they keep doing this kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really infuriating, short sighted and a big part of the reason we started OpenCamp (<a href="http://openca.mp" rel="nofollow">http://openca.mp</a>). </p>
<p>The way the GPL has turned into an ideology with some people/entities should serve as a harsh warning to a lot of people. It is about community? Sure as long as the community behaves the way a few people want. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of the Software and love WordPress the product but I&#8217;ve about had it with this kind of crap. (sorry but this really gets under my skin). </p>
<p>Longer term, they are shooting themselves in the foot and asking for a backlash if they keep doing this kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://onefinejay.com/2010/05/19/a-few-questions-on-jane-wells-revised-wordcamp-policies/comment-page-1#comment-8249</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...now, having made my previous comment, one could rightly compare ben&#039;s comment to &lt;em&gt;Reductio ad Hitlerium&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;now, having made my previous comment, one could rightly compare ben&#8217;s comment to <em>Reductio ad Hitlerium</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl: True. The GPL is a license, not a philosophy. The &#039;philosophy&#039; is respecting the license and adhering to it. Sorry if that was unclear in the post I made on the WC organizer blog. Allow me to clarify:
If someone is violating the WordPress license by distributing WordPress-derivative works under a restrictive license rather than the inherited GPL v2, that&#039;s not in spirit and would not get official approval, which the WordCamp stamp implies. That&#039;s the gist.
If people want to tie themselves in knots looking back at every past speaker, sponsor and organizer, wondering who would make the cut, rather than looking forward to how we can make sure the WordCamp label is awesome and inclusive and can bring people together, well, that&#039;s their choice.
I posted what I did where I did to give a heads up to WC organizers who are in the process of putting together their events that there are some new guidelines coming down the pike that currently are being developed, not to start a flame war among the more vocal WordPress users out there who like to fan the flames, and who are not organizing WordCamps themselves. When/if it gets to the point of there being an official policy with some kind of enforcement, rather than a gentle suggestion to do the right thing if you&#039;re using the official name, it will be posted on wordcamp.org, wordpress.org, and anyplace else I can think of, with specific examples and reasons for the decision. In the meantime, you&#039;re getting upset over something that ought to just be common sense. Not every WordPress-related gathering needs to be a WordCamp, after all. Just ask Mike Schinkel. :)
As always, I encourage people who want to voice opinions to not limit themselves to their own blogs and Twitter accounts, but to engage in the official discussions, where their feedback can be far more useful. I&#039;ll blog about the policies on the official WordCamp.org site when things are fleshed out enough to actually deserve attention and discussion. For now, you&#039;re jumping all over something that doesn&#039;t warrant it, and inferring meanings that were not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl: True. The GPL is a license, not a philosophy. The &#8216;philosophy&#8217;is respecting the license and adhering to it. Sorry if that was unclear in the post I made on the WC organizer blog. Allow me to clarify:</p>
<p>If someone is violating the WordPress license by distributing WordPress-derivative works under a restrictive license rather than the inherited GPL v2, that&#8217;s not in spirit and would not get official approval, which the WordCamp stamp implies. That&#8217;s the gist. </p>
<p>If people want to tie themselves in knots looking back at every past speaker, sponsor and organizer, wondering who would make the cut, rather than looking forward to how we can make sure the WordCamp label is awesome and inclusive and can bring people together, well, that&#8217;s their choice.</p>
<p>I posted what I did where I did to give a heads up to WC organizers who are in the process of putting together their events that there are some new guidelines coming down the pike that currently are being developed, not to start a flame war among the more vocal WordPress users out there who like to fan the flames, and who are not organizing WordCamps themselves. When/if it gets to the point of there being an official policy with some kind of enforcement, rather than a gentle suggestion to do the right thing if you&#8217;re using the official name, it will be posted on wordcamp.org, wordpress.org, and anyplace else I can think of, with specific examples and reasons for the decision. In the meantime, you&#8217;re getting upset over something that ought to just be common sense. Not every WordPress-related gathering needs to be a WordCamp, after all. Just ask Mike Schinkel. <img src='http://onefinejay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As always, I encourage people who want to voice opinions to not limit themselves to their own blogs and Twitter accounts, but to engage in the official discussions, where their feedback can be far more useful. I&#8217;ll blog about the policies on the official WordCamp.org site when things are fleshed out enough to actually deserve attention and discussion. For now, you&#8217;re jumping all over something that doesn&#8217;t warrant it, and inferring meanings that were not there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to two WordCamps and while I liked both locations, it was very obviously a chance for blogging luminaries to show off.
Yes, there were plenty of learning opportunities, but always away from the presentation floor. I left after hearing Scott Rosenburg&#039;s &quot;History of Blogging&quot;, a subject best held on to for a sub-101 type class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to two WordCamps and while I liked both locations, it was very obviously a chance for blogging luminaries to show off. </p>
<p>Yes, there were plenty of learning opportunities, but always away from the presentation floor. I left after hearing Scott Rosenburg&#8217;s &#8220;History of Blogging&#8221;, a subject best held on to for a sub-101 type class.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug: &lt;em&gt;Reductio ad Hitlerium&lt;/em&gt; in no way applies here. The point of the metaphor was not to imply national-socialist intent or action, but rather to compare the indiscriminate actions lacking in apparent regard for unintended consequences to carpet-bombing campaigns that lacked both discrimination in target and regard for collateral damage.
The tone is fine. The metaphor is apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug: <em>Reductio ad Hitlerium</em> in no way applies here. The point of the metaphor was not to imply national-socialist intent or action, but rather to compare the indiscriminate actions lacking in apparent regard for unintended consequences to carpet-bombing campaigns that lacked both discrimination in target and regard for collateral damage.</p>
<p>The tone is fine. The metaphor is apt.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I get the feeling that the way WP.org handles the GPL whip, reminds me of something...phrases such as &#039;mission accomplished&#039; and &#039;axis of evil&#039; come to mind.
At least they&#039;re not wearing funny hats.
Anyway, WP.org have lost their appeal long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I get the feeling that the way WP.org handles the GPL whip, reminds me of something&#8230;phrases such as &#8216;mission accomplished&#8217;and &#8216;axis of evil&#8217;come to mind.<br />
At least they&#8217;re not wearing funny hats.</p>
<p>Anyway, WP.org have lost their appeal long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug: I&#039;ve been watching The Pacific. &lt;i&gt;Reductio ad Hitlerium&lt;/i&gt; was the least I had in mind when I wrote. Might edit for tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug: I&#8217;ve been watching The Pacific. <i>Reductio ad Hitlerium</i> was the least I had in mind when I wrote. Might edit for tone.</p>
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